Ramp or No Game

 This week, Brittany and Nikki welcome Lesley from Team Muses as a new co-host and dive into confidence, community, and finding your place at the Lorcana table. From Sapphire loyalty and favorite deck styles to Core vs. Infinity, sealed play, Lorecast updates, and dream Disney IPs, this episode is full of competitive talk, chaotic side quests, and plenty of Muse energy.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_03 0:09

Hello and welcome to the Larcana Music Podcast. I'm Brittany. I'm Nikki. And joining us today is Leslie from Team Muses. Hi. And so Leslie's going to be joining us as another co-host moving forward. So, Leslie, why don't you tell us a little bit about yourself?

SPEAKER_00 0:27

Yeah. So I'm Leslie. I've been playing Larcana since the beginning. And I've really been playing card games forever. And I just really enjoy the IP and the gameplay of Larcana and the community. And so which has been me and my partner have been really enjoying meeting people and playing, playing competitively.

SPEAKER_03 0:45

Yeah. So uh Leslie is super awesome and she's a little bit shy. So she's definitely gonna take a little bit of time to open up. It took a long time for her to feel confident in this game. So we'll definitely talk about like building confidence a lot when we're talking about competitive, you know, feeling like you're part of the space and wanting to be there.

SPEAKER_00 1:05

Yeah, it's definitely practice taking up space. But I've gotten better about it over the years, so here I am. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:14

Uh you said that you like gaming. Um is there a particular reason why Disney Larcana is the game that's caught your interest?

SPEAKER_00 1:24

Um definitely I think the community is the biggest part of it because I've played Magic for like I don't know, over 15 years now, and and like people are great, but there are also not so great people in the community, and I think that's less true in more. I think especially in the Arizona community, I think we have such wonderful people here, and everyone's super encouraging and and friendly and helpful and players and experienced players, and like I think just the people I've met through the game has been amazing. So that's my favorite part. That's awesome.

SPEAKER_03 1:58

Um are would you consider yourself a Disney fan?

SPEAKER_00 2:02

I do love Disney, but I can't really say I'm a Disney fan because I've met Disney fans and I'm not there.

SPEAKER_03 2:11

That's that's that's fair. That's fair. I always say like I really love Disney and I'm a big Disney fan. And if you see my house, like I definitely have lots of Disney stuff in my house, but I'm nowhere near on that level, right?

SPEAKER_01 2:22

Like I probably am. I mean, my house has plenty of Disney Funkos and Lego and anything else that I can find that's Disney, but I don't know, it's been a part of my life for a long time, and I would live at Disneyland if given the opportunity. Yes, Disneyland over Disney.

SPEAKER_03 2:40

Yes, yes, any day. Yeah, no, and I and I know some people get shocked by that. Yes, sorry in Arizona, which so Disneyland is my home. Yeah, right. And I just it feels different. Like I've been to Disney World twice, and yeah, I just I like Disneyland more.

SPEAKER_01 2:58

It's just it's more, I don't know, accessible because everywhere in Disney World, like you have to take the monorail, a car, a bus, a boat just to get to another park. And while it's amazing that their parks are huge, I yeah, Disneyland is like just home.

SPEAKER_03 3:17

It's fun. I just like the feeling of it. Yeah. So you said you're not a Disney adult.

SPEAKER_00 3:26

There's nothing wrong with super passionate about something. For me, it's not specifically Disney, but I do nerd out about like car games and court games and you know all sorts of other things too. So I totally get like people who are really, really into it. I that's why I'm like, I don't I don't consider myself a big Disney fan, but I do enjoy Disney, like the IP.

SPEAKER_03 3:51

Yeah. Which IP is your favorite?

SPEAKER_00 3:55

Hands down, Lilo and Stitch. I said I was asking your questions ahead of time, and I was like, I don't even need to ask anyone who knows me knows it's Lelo and Stitch, and I'm always sad that Stitch gets all the attention because Lilo's cute too. But yeah, but Lilo and Stitch for sure.

SPEAKER_03 4:16

Yeah. Um so what is your favorite like deck type to play?

SPEAKER_00 4:21

Uh so up until set six or seven when like Fox and Rabbit were still around. I know rip. I really love blurple. But for me, my deck type is ramp or no game. So either I'm ramping or I'm not playing.

SPEAKER_03 4:39

So that's pretty funny. No, I don't think I I don't think I've ever played you consistently when you're not playing sapphire.

SPEAKER_00 4:48

Yeah, I'm always sapphire something. I mean, last set I stepped out of the box a little bit and did sapphire uh amber, and that was really fun for me. Um but yeah, I'm back on Blurb Bull is set again, but just yeah, always sapphire something.

SPEAKER_03 5:04

She's like, I'm gonna play the big stuff. Let's go.

SPEAKER_00 5:06

I can't get to six ink on turn four. What's the point?

SPEAKER_03 5:12

That's pretty good. I don't think I asked this of Mickey last time, but I know Ruby Amethyst was her favorite before we had taken a break on the game. Yeah. Do you have any decks that are like piquing your interest as you're getting back in?

SPEAKER_01 5:26

Well, now that I, you know, have my colors of Amber Ruby, I am actually really enjoying it. Uh, it is a toy deck, which is pretty typical of what you're seeing right now in core. But I'm really enjoying it. I have made some tweaks, so I need to try out my new tweaks that I made, but it's really fun. And I did play an Amber Ruby before I had to put a halt on playing, and I was playing a very heavy character deck, which you helped me out with, Brittany. Thank you. And that was actually really fun to play as well. But I think my heart will always be amethyst Ruby.

SPEAKER_03 6:06

I mean, you're never you're not you're not gonna see any fault with me. Um, because I love amethyst Ruby. Uh so Nikki was so last time we talked about how like our team is doing, or some some members of our team did a role, a role for what colors they were gonna play this set. So Leslie decided she was not gonna do that. Still if I don't get software. I don't want to play. I'm sorry. But Nikki and I both rolled up, and I rolled Ruby Amethyst, which was like so frustrating because I actually wanted to play something different than what I actually play regularly. Um and so, but it's it's still fun because I'm playing Supers, and Supers is just a fun deck to play. Yeah. Like I've had I'm having such a good time, like just playing with the superhero cards. And I mean, I really need a reprint of Supergoof at with the super tagline. I feel like that is why they didn't reprint him yet, is because they have to give him the super tagline. They had to agree more love on his car. So that's why it hasn't been reprinted yet. They were waiting. Hint, hint. Hint, hint, hint. I mean, you already gave me my playmaker, which I am loving, by the way. And then but so Nikki then wrote rolled up Ruby Amber. So that's why she's playing the toys stick.

SPEAKER_01 7:30

Yeah. So it's fun. I mean, when you can play all the different combinations of Sid with the toys or rollerbob is actually a really awesome card to play. When you know, you have those cards in your discard and you can just rush that right in. So nope. I'm actually enjoying this.

SPEAKER_00 7:50

I've seen like I've I've been playing just trying to figure out what color combination I want to play on. And so it's the toy deck I've seen go off. It's crazy.

SPEAKER_03 8:00

Yeah. So when we're doing like toy testing, we always want to try to have an idea of what kind of decks are out there. It's like we're seeing a lot of lots of toy iterations now. A few super decks are running around, a few versions of those. I've seen the amethyst and steel dwarves deck come up and things like that. I know we're seeing a lot of infinity, like just because we have all these uh CCQs that are infinity and events that are infinity of the DLC that's coming out. Um so it's been interesting seeing where those decks are at too, because I do think that a lot of times the combinations we see in Infinity, sometimes they use like the core cards in ways that we don't necessarily think about. And so I enjoyed watching some of the gameplay back this weekend from the Citrus Clash tournament this weekend, and noticing like how unique some of the playlines were, but also just thinking about how I could adapt those and play them at core. Although there's definitely a lot of playlines I would not be able to see, but it did kind of cement my thoughts of I do not want to play Infinity just because I was not.

SPEAKER_00 9:15

Yeah, some of those Infinity interactions are just crazy because it's like I don't I think you know, a lot of the new card design of the new set is made with the rotation in mind. They don't really think about how it interacts. Well, I I can't assume what they're thinking about, but it's like maybe it's harder to see how it interacts with the older cards and like see if there was like that turn two Cindy, turn or turn one Cindy, turn two, like singer four. And it's just like at that point you can sing pretty much anything, and like making your opponent discard beyond the her with beyond the horizon, just like like the game's over at that point for them, which is crazy to think about.

SPEAKER_03 9:52

No, it's definitely like you have to like have those playlines in in mind when you're trying to rebuild decks and to have a feeling of what's coming next and where you're at. So I I don't watch infinity with the mindset that I'm preparing for an infinity event because I'm not. Yeah. I do watch infinity of the mindset of okay, how can this help me play in core? Right. Like what what are people's thought processes? Where are they going with this? Is this something I'm going to see back in core? Because a lot of times it's just decks that people are playing in core just with a few changes. Right. Our friend John, who's a local made the top eight at the Citrus Quash, and we had some other Arizona players who did very well as as well. So it's I know that they have they're ramping up because they're also planning on going to the DLC to kind of see where they're at. And so I know that we've had a a bunch of people who are not planning on playing Infinity as an at a competitive event, helping those players with playtesting because it's it's a little bit more difficult to get the playtesting in for Infinity because you know League Knights are in core. Right.

SPEAKER_00 11:01

So that's and I think a lot of people on the same boat as you would are like, I'm interested in anything.

SPEAKER_03 11:08

And I told some I told some people, like, I was like, I will play a deck if you hand me one that's ready, like that is similar to what I played before.

unknown 11:15

Right.

SPEAKER_03 11:16

Obviously, I don't play lines and I know how to you know adapt and change and like especially if I hand me a Ruby Anna at this list.

SPEAKER_02 11:22

Like I'd be like, okay. I'll be like, I'll just play it.

SPEAKER_01 11:25

But turning your brain on and off for the different ways to play.

SPEAKER_03 11:52

However, say that so this weekend we played, there was a 1k sealed event that we played in. I will 100% back competitive sealed play. Like I would love that so much. They're so funny. Competitive draft play, competitive sealed play, like competitive limited play is so very yeah. And I love I love release because and because that is when the most of those events are happening. Right. Um, but I would go to a DLC that was sealed. Sealed. I would go to a sealed DLC. I would do it in a heartbeat.

SPEAKER_00 12:29

That's crazy. I don't know how you could qualify for nationals based on like what you pull in your pot.

SPEAKER_01 12:36

I I think that there is a levels the playing field a little bit, right?

SPEAKER_03 12:40

Yeah, I also just I think it's a t it takes a little bit of a different skill set, I think, to play that way versus playing in core.

SPEAKER_00 12:47

Oh, 100%.

SPEAKER_03 12:48

Um and so like I feel like maybe it it doesn't qualify you the same way, but it but if it but I just feel like it's it's one of those things that it should have its place in the competitive circuits, just like the other card games have like magic has it, like you can play competitively while playing draft or something. Yeah, seal.

SPEAKER_02 13:12

That's the only other way I really liked magic. I played it in draft and then I played Commander.

SPEAKER_00 13:28

Yeah, I agree. I do enjoy sealed a lot, and I think because because it's sealed and even if there is prize prizing on the line, like I feel like people are more casual about it, and it's it's just more fun, and it's like such a great way for it's such a great way for newer players to like learn the game too. I feel like people are more patient because you know, especially like you said, when new sets come around, because it's everybody's learning the cards, everybody's learning the interactions, and so I think it's such a great way for newer players too, who don't have like a core constructive deck to come in and play and bunch of cards and meet people that way too.

SPEAKER_03 14:05

Yeah. I also just love how like yeah, you're most likely only gonna have one or two of that card in your deck. Having to adapt and change and play different playlines every single time. Like, I just can't, I just love it.

SPEAKER_00 14:22

Until your opponent drops like two Dales on you or something.

SPEAKER_03 14:29

That wouldn't be helpful.

SPEAKER_00 14:30

Yeah. I mean, I'm thinking more like last set too, where like if somebody pulled an Ohana, it's like, how can you even play around that in sealed? You know, like they just happen to have an Ohana. I played uh Sealed event where somebody pulled two Ohana's and it's just like they drew probably like eight or nine cards, and in sealed, that's crazy. So at that point, it's like, okay, you win.

SPEAKER_03 14:52

Yeah, there's there's definitely like like a small amount of luck involved, but I do feel like so much of it is just skill, just knowing how to adapt and change every time.

SPEAKER_00 15:01

Yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_03 15:02

Um so like that's my vet my favorite part is just being so adaptable. I also love draft because for the same reasons because then you are forced to have cards. Yes, I agree. So like that that's I'm like when you have to play with cards that are not necessarily the most ideal, that I feel like that really challenges you to play your best.

SPEAKER_02 15:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 15:30

You won't ever play in constructed, you know, and that's what I enjoyed about when we played magic drafts and stuff too, is like you pull cards and and you wouldn't necessarily put a card in a deck normally, but if that's your only choice, you know, like then you get to see how the card works and it's fun that way too.

SPEAKER_03 15:45

Yeah. No, I and then I then I also just love it because in you're like seeing the art for every artist. You're seeing like you're seeing cards that you wouldn't see all the time. And like honestly, I like when we mix sets together to play draft or in um draft because then you're seeing how those cards might interact because they would never be in the chaos draft would be so fun.

SPEAKER_02 16:13

So well so one more thing to the Vegas C CQ. It's an illusion. It's an illusion.

SPEAKER_00 16:25

But we did a sealed event where it was like the first was a like sealed, you get eight eight to ten packs or something, and then the next round was draft, and then the third round was you mashed those two decks together and you played with that deck, and it was actually really fun. I would like to do something like that here.

SPEAKER_03 16:42

That would be awesome. I I'm I'm all for it. Next muses event, throw chaos into the water yay! In addition to playing Sealed this weekend, Nikki and I went to Star Wars Symphony, Star Wars Symphony, and it was so fun. We did it like a dark like a really nice slight change of pace. Yes.

SPEAKER_01 17:09

Yeah, it was really cool. They played Empire. Is that the one we watched? Return they play played Return of the Jedi. Anyway. I was watching the film. Um, but it was cool because the symphony was at the bottom and they played the movie on the screen, so it played the music throughout. It was really cool. It was a really neat experience.

SPEAKER_03 17:33

I loved it because like when they're on Java Ship, and so like you have the like the band playing. Yeah, you they're actively like the synthesis actively playing all of those instruments, not just the John Williams, like gorgeous, you know, orchestral music, but also playing the really random alien bands. Yeah. So I like that. And they also did the bongos on the ewaks and gosh. Yeah, it was fun. So I I loved that part of it. It's also just fun to like remember that we can play fake, we can do things outside of work on it. Yes. There's life. Daryl and I met 11 years ago this past weekend. And so I'm always like trying to remember things like that kind of helped us become a couple. And I hadn't ever watched Star Wars before we had gotten together, and so like it's a big thing. Part of our relationship is Star Wars stuff, and so same.

SPEAKER_02 18:31

And so and now I'm on get kicked out of the room for this.

SPEAKER_00 18:36

I've I've never seen Star Wars.

SPEAKER_02 18:38

It's okay, it's okay.

SPEAKER_00 18:42

I'm actually really grateful that my partner, Chris, is not like a huge Star Wars fan. Then he's like, You have to watch this because I actually have seen one of them, and it was with the ex-boyfriend, and we fell asleep. And I was like, Oh no! He's a big Star Wars fan, so in my defense, I'm like, You fell asleep too, you know.

SPEAKER_01 19:02

So I'm like, that's my experience with Star Wars. I'm good. If it was the Phantom Mena, understandable.

SPEAKER_03 19:11

Yeah, no, I think I've never seen the pod racing scene. Only good parts.

SPEAKER_04 19:17

My least favorite scene of the movie. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_03 19:20

I had seen it so many times as a kid, and I hated those movies because that was the only scene I'd never seen, and I'm like, this is just oh yeah. Like, we why why are we watching NASCAR? Like I was just I was like, I can't do this. So I that was a pro complete side tangent, but it was just something we did this weekend and it was something. It was fun, yeah. Yeah. Daryl and I were always trying to find a balance, right?

SPEAKER_02 19:44

Right.

SPEAKER_03 19:47

Then the it being a three-day weekend was fantastic. Yeah. I I thoroughly enjoyed that because the whole reason we didn't have our podcast last week was because work was kind of kicking kicking me in the pants a little bit. So when it happens, like uh there's no podcast. Life is on fire.

SPEAKER_01 20:06

Apologies, friends, but these things happen. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 20:08

No, so that's definitely moving forward. We're gonna we're gonna do our best to keep a consistent schedule, but Oz always loves first.

SPEAKER_02 20:15

Yeah, yeah. Life over Lorcana.

SPEAKER_03 20:22

At the end of the summer, obviously we have the LCQ Nationals event, right? Super excited to go to that, but between now and then I'm just kind of having fun. Yeah. Um, especially this set. That's part of why I did the rolling, like roll whatever colors, because this set just feels kind of more low stake. That's insane. Um and like I'll have my same goal of getting a top eight in a set chance, like which has been my consistent goal all over Cana.

SPEAKER_01 20:54

Yeah, you can do that. You know you can't. I know, but I know I can't.

SPEAKER_03 20:58

And it's not it, like to me, it's not even like a my that's a little braggie, but I'm like, it's not even a challenge very much anymore to do it that way. And I say that in a quite like complete garbage, but but I like I don't have another goal in right now because I'm not playing past that. I would like to get a mat, but it's not like a high priority because I feel like I would have to take it a little bit more seriously this set. Sure. And I feel like this is my break set. Yeah. Before I like bubble down with rotation to get ready for the LCQ. And so like I I know I'm gonna play a lot in July, you know, getting ready for the LCQ, and so that's where I'm like.

SPEAKER_00 21:47

Yeah, I mean, but like our competitive scene here is so like crazy high that I think even taking it easy is like it's gonna be like a walk in the park, but I'm just saying, like, it's

SPEAKER_03 22:00

gonna be like a I'm not going to focus on getting a mat. Yeah. Even though I think the Woody stuff looks great. It's not Woody's not like my favorite character or anything. It's not like it's a super dude. Right? Yeah. So uh so I'm just kind of refocusing where I want it to go. I also just want to get uh a tournament running for the muses and stuff like that. Seagulls are my main focuses for the summer is practice for the LCQ and get a muses tournament going.

SPEAKER_01 22:33

If we do a muses tournament do we do it before or after rotation? Such a great question.

SPEAKER_03 22:39

I would love to tell your answer to it, but I have not made in mind that I mean rotation's gonna come before we know it. Oh yeah we have enough time to schedule before rotation. So I think it has to be post-rotation but it might be either we'll make it an infinity event or something. That'd be a fine so or we could do a sealed event and then it won't matter. You're right. I do like the idea of it being a sealed event. So we'll probably put an Instagram poll out about and then we'll hopefully that our Arizona folks are gonna be take the biggest chunk of that because they're gonna be the ones who are playing in it. And so we'll see where we're going from there. Yeah. So looking at Lorcana we have the lore casts and we've had two since the last time we recorded we have and one of the biggest things that have come out news wise was the inking rule.

SPEAKER_01 23:30

Yeah. I think it's great. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 23:33

So those of you that are just more casual players the official ruling has been that whenever you play you must keep your ink for turn face up when it is your official ink per turn. Depot is still face down cards that say inking face down are still face down. But your official ink for turn must stay face up until the end of your turn.

SPEAKER_01 23:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 23:56

And so like that's the official ruling and so it has been a change of pace for some people who don't who hadn't d done that. Yeah. But I think they're trying to have it be more consistent across the board.

SPEAKER_00 24:06

I definitely so it's something that I adopted early on for play mostly because my ADHD makes me forget if I've inked for turn or not and I hear that question a lot from people who are like wait did I did I ink for turn right and it's like I think that helps clarify a lot of those issues because you know it is both players' responsibility to know but sometimes you know you're nervous especially at high level competitions and you're not really focused on what your opponent's doing as much as you should be or you could be, you know. And so having that ink up I think is a much better like consistent ruling to have around.

SPEAKER_03 24:39

So I like the channel. I also think it makes it easier on the war guides because then it's like a clear indication of kind of where the game state is at. Yeah. Obviously there still can still be some inconsistencies and they can still figure that out but I think it's helpful to for the game state as a whole to visually see where everything is at.

SPEAKER_00 25:00

Yeah. Yeah. And I also think that it it will help some of the like you said your turn was over when it wasn't and like you know, because at the really really competitive levels and we've seen it at the DLCs and and other big CCQ events and stuff like that that are streamed, it's like, you know, everybody's so anxious and ready to jump the gun on anything that it's like they're like no you already finished and or you passed and this happened and so having the ink up and seeing like my ink is still up I haven't officially passed yet that I think will help too.

SPEAKER_03 25:30

Yeah so it's it's just another indicator besides your turn or go ahead. Yep yeah it's a visual train. Hey I'm flipping my ink that's the that's the visual end of my turn yeah and then I pass. Yeah I I I'm a big fan of that so another thing that they mentioned so the promos during movies have become a thing. Yeah so Toy Story 5 is gonna have a promo that's coming out with it. It's a Buzz Lightyear promo. But I what I really liked is that they have the opportunity where you don't have to go to the movie. They're going to do the pack brush event that they did previously where you can also get the promo.

SPEAKER_00 26:15

So they're gonna give pack rush packs to local game stores and then that's another way for you to earn nice yeah because when they did the promos in the past it was only with specific theaters. Yeah yeah and uh I think now after having gone through the promo type movies like the staff probably knows a little bit more but when they the first time they didn't know anything about the game so people came and asked for the promo before the movie even came out and they're like sure here you go well and then I then we saw like posts online where like theaters had like thrown out the whole box of the promos because they're like we don't know the value of this or they would give them away or they would sell them separately from the tickets.

SPEAKER_03 26:58

And so there are definitely inconsistencies I agree with you there. So I think they probably know better now. But I I don't disagree I've gotten all the other promos from the movies just because they were actually movies I wanted to see. Yeah. Toy Story 5 is kind of on that asterisk list that I just don't really I did not enjoy Toy Story 4. And so I have no inkling or I have no desire to see Toy Story 5 even with the the silly previews I've seen for it there are some funny pieces but I just don't know why we're continuing the story.

SPEAKER_01 27:34

I don't either and now I'm wondering how is Woody back in Bonnie's room? I thought we left him at the antique mall with Bonnie but now I'm watching the trailers I'm like wait we why is he here?

SPEAKER_03 27:51

I mean I get it he needs to be with the gang yeah I do think it's funny that they like are calling out leapfrog for bringing on you know screen time for ch toddlers and things like that. So as someone who was like a big advocate for like limited stream screen time screen time for kids I like I totally get it.

SPEAKER_01 28:10

Yeah also I was like I don't know how you can make a whole it's a it's a long PSA.

SPEAKER_00 28:18

Let's make a really long movie about how kids shouldn't be watching movies?

SPEAKER_03 28:22

Yes we're really watching a visual media but I I would be interested to see if there's any lurkana cards that come out of it.

SPEAKER_01 28:31

That's always my that my every time I watch a Disney movie now I'm like I think a great work and I'm on that with I my son and I have been watching a lot of like the I guess I don't know if they were oh mostly Disney XD shows and there's so many like Owlhouse or gravity falls there's a lot of characters on there on those shows that would make really good cards as well. Like Bill Cypher would be an amazing villain card and and Dipper and Mabel and I just think it'd be really cool.

SPEAKER_00 28:59

I guess what's your opinion on like bringing in TV shows because obviously you're a fan, right?

SPEAKER_03 29:04

But I feel like like movies are more I guess like classic or more like widely known I guess so I don't know because like gargoyles and duck tales and darkwing duck those are all TV shows and I was super excited for those IPs I would love to see like Kim Possible like Proud Family I don't know Proud Family would make good Lurcana cards but Kim Possible would definitely make good Lurcana cards.

SPEAKER_00 29:33

I'd be like I'm Penny Proud I'm cute and I got it going on funny. No I would because I I I think about that a lot too but it's like does that then open the door for like live action shows like yeah it's really you know like I don't want Hannah Montana cards. Like I liked the show but I don't know that would be or we have hybrid shows like Lizzie McGuire right yeah and and and also I guess like with you know gargoyles and duck tales I think that was because it's like very very classic Disney.

SPEAKER_03 30:08

Yeah so like a lot of the Disney adults really enjoyed the fact that they were at it but I know there's like kids who would open that card and be like I don't know what this is like or whatever you know and TV shows span I think generations more than like movies or like cross generations you know yeah I don't disagree yeah there's definitely been IP pieces like Daryl and I had never seen the Black Cauldron before we're before we played Larcana and we only watched it to play because we played Larcana now I did not enjoy it. So I was like so not all Disney IP is great. I I had there are just a very few Disney things I had not seen when it came to movies. Like I still haven't seen the good dinosaur so like that's also still on my list. So like good dinosaur is still on that list and then there are a few of the more modern ones like the newest one Hoppers Hoppers is really good. Okay so I haven't seen that one an amazing story. Yeah so I have to I'm I wonder if it's on Disney Plus yet okay I was like I wasn't gonna go to the theater to go see it. It wasn't on it wasn't high enough on my list for that but I also don't go to see a lot of movies in person anymore. Yeah so but yeah there's just there are certain IPs where I just feel like Kim Possible would lead itself so easily right like she's there's superheroes there's actions there's villains there's unique items right Draken makes all these like crazy inventions and things like that would just be super funny Phineas and Fur would be great right all the innators Dr. Draken right it would be great. But then there were there are some that I would be like I don't think like recess like is also coming on an anniversary this year and I just don't think they would make great I just I just don't think they would make great Lorcana cards. That would be my only thing is like I just don't see them in the world of Lorcana. That's where I'm it would be different more based in reality no exactly like a bunch of fourth grade kids and I feel like it's a harder time for them to be put into the world of Lorcana There goes Lizzie that's yeah it's like more fantastical and more like magic yeah fantastical than magic but that that's where always my thought goes is like okay yes we can do live action it can be you know cartagnized like we've seen like Pirates of the Caribbean has been put into some of the Disney video games and things like that like have turned those characters into cartoons shows that are more about like everyday life and like day to day shenanigans yeah so like I would be like that's a Raven would not be Steven. No those those shows would not make good lord conic heart but okay who framed Roger Rabbit I mean I I don't disagree with you because I love that movie but I think first of all I think it's in a weird IP spot probably because it because it kind of combines a lot of places but I also think because of its like rating because it is like a higher PG rating I don't know if it would be considered Disney Lorcana friendly they still have a ride it's true they do still have a ride. I love that ride so fun it's so much chaos um all right well speed round if you had to choose one Disney Lorcana card to ban forever goodness what would it be? I know how to say it so dramatically have a card in mind 100% I think Trance Street Smart Dog is not a personal vendetta but it sounds pretty personal. Yeah I think that based on like the discount cards that are in place and like the ability to play under the sea so quickly and fast like with that card in play being able to filter that much makes it also feel like it has shifted the meta too far into that deck's archetype. Yeah that's the seven drop one right okay yeah I mean it's getting rotated out so you'll get your wish it's not necessarily banned but yeah but I feel like it's kind of crazy to me that it hasn't had even an asterisk to it. You could only have two in your deck or something like that. Yeah as a limit. It just feels and I even play decks that have answers for it pretty fast. Yeah. But because I played Ruby and Ruby for that. But I also just feel like it's kind of when you have to consistently find the answer for a singular card then maybe that singular card is is what's causing issues.

SPEAKER_00 35:11

So yeah. Interesting I think I mean I don't know if I'm like super like this should be banned 100% but I really dislike the wording on malicious, mean and scary because because of how the Prince Philip combo works and and like there are so many things that that have like resist that that gets around and I understand the purpose of it but I think it's too powerful of a card to be a three drop song. I think it should be more either more expensive or uninkable.

SPEAKER_03 35:44

There should be some kind of trade off for that card because I'm sorry that card's not Ruby it can't it has to be inkable.

SPEAKER_00 35:50

Yeah only decent cards in Ruby are uninkable everything else gets inkable. Yeah I always feel really sad about that when you see a Ruby Ruby card and you're like that's actually almost playable and then they make it uninkable and you're like okay it's no longer really playable yeah um but anyway sorry do you have a do you have one in mind?

SPEAKER_01 36:10

Unfortunately I do not and I think it's just because I'm still getting back in the game. There's so many new and there's so yeah exactly there's so many new cards and you know the only ones I can think of are the ones that I actually liked from the previous step like the goat and the fox and I would hate to see those really go away. They're probably not gonna ever see a reprint but I'm sure a lot of people would want those banned which is very sad.

SPEAKER_03 36:38

I mean I I loved goat yes goat is I also like I enjoyed fox but I I always understood when people were like ban the fox yeah the fact that she had rush coming in on top of everything else and three willpower if she had rush and two willpower I would understand more it's the three willpower well I think in in this current meta though three willpower isn't as no it's not but but at the time at the time three willpower was wild wild yeah yeah yeah no I I now I'm not like a it has to be in a ban like I I know I just said 100% but I do feel like when it's consistently seeing the top decks over and over and over again both in core and can and infinity that's where that's where I'm like the the hard line of it if it's a core and infinity. Yeah and it's that's where I'm like maybe maybe it's too strong. So but yes it's about to be rotated out so it'll only be an infinity.

SPEAKER_00 37:42

Yeah I I do agree that like like that card has warped the meta in so many ways and I don't even think was originally intended. And but I don't know how to like to fix something like that because I think when you start doing things like you can only have two in a deck or you can only like this it makes it really hard for newer players or players who don't necessarily keep up with the rules as much to then build a core constructed and show up to like a casual A and it's just like so much harder. Like when they did the Bucky errata which is a long time ago. But the Bucky Errata like that to me I was like they should just ban the card at that point because it's like I'm not gonna remember and I play every week and you know it's it's that kind of thing where I feel like if they make a lot of adjustments to cards like the number you can play or make an errata without reprints that are widely available to everybody. But it makes it a lot harder for players to like engage.

SPEAKER_03 38:40

No I defin I definitely think that's why they haven't done it is because it hadn't seen like the same level of as the Bucky play like where it was just literally every deck was playing it or playing exactly the counter to it right I do think our our meta is still wide enough that it's not reached the band level yeah but I'm always I want to see a wide variety when it comes to decks and things like that. Even if I'm only playing the same decks but I I like to see more variety like to see more deck archetypes and like competitive staying like yeah like I don't want to constantly only see blurple or dogs. Like those are things like yes I feel like those are both decks that we should see but they shouldn't be like 40% of the meta right each right yeah I agree.

SPEAKER_00 39:37

I definitely agree with that I think like having more variety in the meta is more interesting instead of like the whole rock paper scissors that was going on between purple steel blurple and dogs for like you know two sets or whatever. It's just it makes it more interesting and and it makes you have to adjust more, you know, because people could show up with random texts to their deck that you didn't think about or you know different um I guess not random but you know like different things that will catch you off guard and and like the skill is in being able to adjust for those and not just well I know exactly what this purple steel list looks like and I'll just play around with these things. Yeah 100% all right final thoughts oh I wanted to say congrats to both of you toppy and the 1k this week now oh thank you thank you thank you thanks Darr Daryl was a little salty he was the only one that was not in the carpool that did not get to just just a little yeah that was really really fun that was like I think the best I've ever done at a seal round oh uh because yeah I was shocked that I got the I got to top four and I was like awesome I can't believe that happened because I texted Chris when I built my deck and I was like this deck is garbage like all garbage.

SPEAKER_01 40:52

I don't know how it's gonna go for me. So I was super excited.

SPEAKER_03 40:55

I I also felt like my deck was the worst sealed deck I had played in in all of the sealed we had played and then we still got top eight and I was like maybe it wasn't as bad.

SPEAKER_00 41:05

But also my other sealed decks had been so cracked yeah that I was like okay I know that's how I definitely felt too on that that's why deck is gonna be hot garbage because I I mean I had like a base of you know you build you build decks like when you're building decks you build it with core principles right like you have some bombs you have some removal you have some like you know ability to be flexible and draw cards but it's like when I put my deck together I'm like I don't really know how this is gonna go when you know in the past I put decks together and like I feel really about this deck.

SPEAKER_02 41:38

Thank you.

SPEAKER_01 41:39

The only other thing I wanted to mention was they did on the lore cast this past week they did announce a new Woody card that will be coming out in set 13. It's a four drop unequable and two four and the text is hang on when you play this character choose one of the following if you have another toy character in play choose both instead you may return a character card with two costs or less from your discard to your hand. You may play a character with cost two or less for free and it quests for two. So definitely keeping the it's some you know the toy synergy into into the vine.

SPEAKER_03 42:17

That that that card has like a wall of text on it.

SPEAKER_01 42:20

Yes it is I was like I'm like I'm every time it's gonna get played I'm like can I read the card yeah exactly yeah so all right art's cute it looks like Woody's there with a lasso trying to rescue Jesse is what it looks like to me. So okay exciting we're getting sneak as a base small preview of Into the Vine Set champs and spoiler seasons right around the corner.

SPEAKER_00 42:45

Oh yeah it's like it's the set went by I mean it was a shorter set but it's just like it still feels like we're almost at the end of it already crazy.

SPEAKER_03 42:54

Yeah I know Daryl and we were like looking ahead because Daryl's birthday weekend is the same weekend as Comic Con which is also the first weekend of Setchamps and so we're not gonna play in the first week of Setchamps because it's it's we're going to Phoenix Fan Fusion which is Phoenix birthday. Yeah and we didn't know that you know when I bought these tickets months ago that that's when the Setchamp season was going to but also we were also planning on going to the fan fusion anyway. Right. It's just kind of wild to me like it's just so fast.

SPEAKER_01 43:23

And I'm like it's a week and a half away basically yeah like it's not even a full month since release correct.

SPEAKER_00 43:29

Yeah they just they specifically shortened it and I think it was a good call because nationals will happen when rotation post rotation so just giving players a little bit more time to like yeah get comfortable with post rotation versus like one week later. One week later good luck I mean the meta's still gonna be wide open which will be it'll make for very very interesting nationals but at least there'll be a little bit more like a little bit more playtesting.

SPEAKER_03 43:55

Yeah. So I know that's why I was like I'll be grinding for the rest of the summer. It's like I want I want I was so close the last time that I like could taste it. Okay, I can do it.

SPEAKER_02 44:10

Yes, you can. You can. Just had to get that. Yeah. So, all right. Well, with that, everyone, we will see you. You'll hear us next week. Happy Questing.

SPEAKER_01 44:22

Happy Questing.